زبان انگلیسی را با هم و به هم بیاموزیم

We want one class to have a liberal education. We want another class, a
very much larger class of necessity, to forego the privilege of a
liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual
tasks: President Woodrow Wilson

چند وقتي بود آموزش انگليسي رو به صورت سرگرمي با سريال آموزشي FLAT MATES و بخش آموزش زبان انگليسي در سايت BBC.COM دنبال مي کردم که بسيار خوب و جالب بود و هر روز هم يک سري مطالب جديد ارائه مي شد . متاسفانه از هفته پيش سايت بي بي سي و بخش BBC ENGLISH LEARNING فيلتر شده اند.
شايد بد نباشه براي شروع يکي از دوستان که امکان دسترسي به بي بي سي رو داره پاراگراف هاي آموزش زبان انگليسي رو توي صفحات اين سايت و تالار آموزش زبان قراربده تا بقيه بدون نياز به سايت بي بي سي بتونند روي اون موضوعات با هم به انگليسي صحبت کنند.

شهرام بهامين نوشته بود:

من با غريب آشنا يا به زبون خودمون زورو کاملاٌ موافقم
...............فقط بخش NEWS TOPICS رو هم اضافه کنيد تا من اخبار مهم روز رو براتون بفرستم

and I disagree with you to copy paste news
so please write them your self

harvard نوشته بود:

but first I ask omid not to send such a long posts i beleive no one to read them completely

then here you can correct bad grammers and mistakes to learn speaking in a better way
and i suggest forbidding copy and paste in english which makes here a garbage collector !!!!

I agree with Harvard's comments that I quoted above. I deleted my long and unnecessary post. Also, I think the best way is to do everything informally. I don't think it's a good idea to make a sepparate forum or any specific categroies like grammer etc. English can be learned as a whole by reading, listening and writing back. So, I think as we write more English posts and reply to our friends posts in English, it will help improve the forum members English naturally.

Omid نوشته بود:

I don't think it's a good idea to make a sepparate forum or any specific categroies like grammer etc. English can be learned as a whole by reading, listening and writing back. So, I think as we write more English posts and reply to our friends posts in English, it will help improve the forum members English naturally.

بنده رسماً با اين پيشنهاد مخالفم. درسته که بهترين راه يادگيري زبان خوندن، نوشتن و استفاده از اون هست؛ اما يه چيزهايي رو هم نبايد فراموش کنيم. ما "ايراني" هستيم؛ زبان رسمي ما "فارسي" هست و همه ما به ايراني بودن و زبان فارسيمون افتخار مي کنيم؛ زبان مادري ما که زبان فرهنگ ما و زبان افتخارات ماست. زبان اصلي تالارهاي گفتمان هم فارسيه. همين زبان فارسي هست که ما رو تو اين تالار به هم نزديک کرده. ما هر چقدر هم به زبانهاي ديگه مسلط باشيم، هيچ کدوم از ما نمي تونه احساسات و عواطفش رو با زبان ديگه اي غير از زبان مادريش به درستي منتقل کنه. يکي از بزرگترين رمزهاي موفقيت تالارهاي گفتمان ما، همين زبان فارسي هست. تالارهاي گفتمان دستاوردهاي زيادي داره و مي تونه داشته باشه که بهبود زبان انگليسي اعضا فقط يکي از اونها هست. تقريباً همه اهداف ديگه زير سايه مهربان زبان فارسي مي تونه محقق بشه. پس به نظر من بهتره براي يادگيري زبان انگليسي، يک تالار مجزا در نظر گرفته بشه.

I think I should clarify my last sentense. When I wrote

نقل قول:

So, I think as we write more English posts and reply to our friends posts in English, it will help improve the forum members English naturally.

I didn't mean that people must write more English. I have no particular interest in having more English posts in the forum or encouranging more people to comment on my posts in English. What I meant was that as people naturally write some English here (as they do now) it helps them with their English too. That's all I meant.

cheers

Very Happy

خيلي وقت ها ميبينيد اهداف و کليات توي حاشيه و جزئيات فراموش مي شه .
اميدوارم اينجا اينطور نشه!
هرمطالب کوتاه انگليسي که بتونه چند دقيقه اي توجه بيننده رو جلب کنه حتي اگر از جاي ديگه اي کپي شده باشه مفيد بنظر ميرسه.

در راستاي رسيدن به هدف هر کاري ميکنيد بکنيد که خود را به هدف نزديک تر کرده باشيد.

از اميد دوست عزيز ي که مقيم خارج از کشور هستند اين خواهش را دارم که به سايت بي بي سي و بخش آموزش انگليسي مراجعه نموده و بخش هايي از آن را کپي و در اين بخش در معرض ديد دوستان ديگر قرار دهند.
بعلت فيلتر شدن سايت بي بي سي در ايران ما امکان اينکار را نداريم.
با تشکر و ارادت

غريب آشنا نوشته بود:

ما هر چقدر هم به زبانهاي ديگه مسلط باشيم، هيچ کدوم از ما نمي تونه احساسات و عواطفش رو با زبان ديگه اي غير از زبان مادريش به درستي منتقل کنه.
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واقعا غريب جان حالا عواطف و احساسات رو ولش کن
قربون صدقه رو بگو
ميخوای بگی دورت بگردم بايد بگی I turn around you

ميخوای بگی درد و بلات تو سرم بخوره بايد بگی your bad fortune and sickness be on my head
خلاصه که درد سرت ندم يک مشت چرت و پرت تحويل طرف ميدی

I think that the first step to speak or write in English , is to think in English. Unfotunately most of us follow this tiring algorithm to express ourselves in English:

1-Think in farsi.
2-Construct a sentence in farsi in your mind.
3-Translate your sentence to english word by word.
4-Speak\write your sentence in english.

u see! this is a very time consuming process.
For the first step to avoid this method ,you shouldn't memorize the English words with their persian meaning.
for example we should accept APPLE as a fruit not APPLE = sib!
With this method you will gain another personality,an English one!

مسافر کوير نوشته بود:

for example we should accept APPLE as a fruit not APPLE = sib!

That's not exactly what I have in my mind about the word "apple". What I have in my mind is: Apple = The Red 206 Peugeot!

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I think that the first step to speak or write in English , is to think in English

I absolutly agree with the above statement. I was very lucky to be able to stop thinking in Persian and translating to English after about one year of being in Canada. Since then, I made great progress in my language skills and beginning of second year, I could speak it very fluently. Not spending too much time with Iranians was also a major factor in helping me with my language skills. Wink

It's interesting to mention that my postdoctoral advisor (Dr. Aarabi) was Iranian and I worked with him for two years. We probably spoke less then 5 minutes of Persian with each other in this whole time!

It's very important for a learner to actualy be in an English-speaking society so he has to use the language he is trying to learn in real life. Now, in day to day life, I think in English. A very important thing is underestand the mentality and the sense of humor of English speaking people so you can say jokes and make funny comments at the right time and with the right tone.

Here is a practice example: You are in your office. You see your female co-worker Sarah comming to pick up coffee wearing a blue shirt over black jean pants. You are in a good mood and want to say something cute to her. What would you say? Razz

cheers

Omid نوشته بود:

...
Here is a practice example: You are in your office. You see your female co-worker Sarah comming to pick up coffee wearing a blue shirt over black jean pants. You are in a good mood and want to say something cute to her. What would you say? Razz

cheers

If I were him, I'd say:
Honey! Do marry me please right now, or I will commit a suicide!

good? d'oh!

نقل قول:

Honey! Do marry me please right now, or I will commit a suicide!

Noooooooo! Razz

You don't wanna mary her (what happend to your brain?!) you just want to complement her and get her attention! so, try again! Wink

This is my second try:
Hey! You needn't pay for the coffee! I have done it before!

And she might laugh at me, if so then i would ask her to marry me without delay! Smile

good?